Growin' On Up
Interview with Rick Tarnas
|Well, my feet they finally took root in the earth but I got me a nice little place in the stars|
And I swear I found the key to the universe in the engine of an old parked car.
|-- Bruce Springsteen|
When I heard Richard Tarnas speak in New York last spring, I was taken with his gentleness, eloquence, and his call for a deeper understanding and insight into the unconscious forces that shape human destiny and history. Both breathtaking and stilling, he offered that the universe is not at all random and distant and that the current disconnect and disenchantment is a necessary phase in our collective development.
Does the Universe have consciousness? And does the cosmos actually care about what happens to planet Earth? In Cosmos and Psyche, Richard Tarnas makes an extraordinary case for a vibrant and caring universe, one that is dramatic and Shakespearean as opposed to mechanistic in its expression and evolution. While most scientists and academics subscribe to a Newtonian-Cartesian paradigm in which faith and reason are separate, Tarnas presents a new world view. Using astrology and planetary correspondences to illustrate patterns in world history, he reminds us that the stars do, in fact, light the way for humanity on its spiritual evolution and current struggle with maturity.
Shelley Ackerman: Your first book, The Passion of the Western Mind, is widely used as a text in university courses. You've used the word "scandalous" to describe your new book, Cosmos and Psyche. Why a scandal?
Richard Tarnas: Given current assumptions about the cosmos, it is a scandal for a professor of philosophy to come out with a book that is in any way supportive of astrology. I think it's safe to say that of all perspectives, astrology is the one most subject to automatic rejection and scorn in the modern intellectual world. I myself was skeptical until I conducted my own research. But the evidence is very compelling: there is an astonishingly consistent correlation between planetary alignments and the patterns of human experience. Cosmos and Psyche sets out that evidence in a way that readers new to this perspective can examine and assess for themselves. It's a little like Galileo's telescope: Anyone could look through it to see the new universe it revealed, but it was a scandal at the time.
SA: How would you describe the astrological perspective?
RT: Most cultures, including our own prior to the modern era, had some kind of astrology as part of their world view, for they understood the cycles of the Moon, Sun, and planets as deeply meaningful. The astrological perspective sees the universe as both meaningful and unified. Instead of the modern division between the purposeful meaning-seeking human consciousness and a random meaningless universe, astrology points to a universe that is integrated at all levels: outer and inner, macrocosm and microcosm, celestial and terrestrial. As was said by the ancients, "As above, so below."
SA: What is the advantage of a worldview that is inclusive of astrology?
RT: The existence of correlations between the planetary cycles and human life makes it possible for both individuals and society as a whole to understand better what archetypal energies are at work and at what time. This can help us be more skillful and aware as we engage in the activities of life. It's like knowing the weather report before going out into the ocean to sail or surf. It helps to know where the winds and waves will be coming from.
But there is also a deeper advantage: Modern civilization pays a high price for living in a universe that it believes is random and spiritually meaningless. Nature is not honored but is instead exploited for short-term benefit. And a purposeless universe creates a sense of deep spiritual emptiness inside which people try to fill with endless consumer products, so that the industrial technology producing those products is cannibalizing the planet. But as we know, you can never get enough of what you don't really need. A new vision of nature and the universe as ensouled, as spiritually significant, would give a better ground for both moral responsibility and a sense of spiritual belonging.
SA: Our entire economic system which is driven by the West seems to have lost much of its initial moral and spiritual foundation. Many argue that in order to survive that must change: But how? The way things are now, every single company on Earth must show a profit each quarter? Nature herself dictates otherwise. For example: farmers would let a field go fallow every seven years. Shouldn't cycles in business mirror cycles of nature?
RT: Our civilization desperately needs to develop more awareness about the consequences of our activities. We need to be paying attention not just to the bottom line of the next quarterly profit report, but to what seven generations from now will experience as a result of our actions. The only way that such a fundamental change will occur would be if enough individuals become more deeply aware of our profound embeddedness within the larger Earth community and the universe itself. Our civilization basically seems to be caught in an immature period in its development, like a self-enclosed adolescent who has not yet been initiated into the deeper realities of life and who therefore continues to act from a short-sighted and often self-destructive state of consciousness. It's as if our entire civilization is undergoing an initiation in our time [see related article], into a new world view and a new way of living.
SA: How and when did astrology fall out of favor with the intellectual and scientific establishments?
RT: Historically, astrology actually has a long noble tradition that was central to Western civilization from the ancient Greeks onwards. As recently as the Renaissance it was highly regarded by most of the intellectual and cultural elite -- not only Humanists and men of letters like Shakespeare and Marsilio Ficino incorporated astrology in their world view but also the early geniuses of the Scientific Revolution like Kepler and Galileo, who regularly calculated and interpreted horoscopes and, in Kepler's case, was a major reformer of the astrological tradition.
The shift really happened in the later seventeenth century, when many factors came together -- the growing conviction that the modern mind was superior to all ancient traditions and perspectives, the new sense of the disenchantment of the cosmos, a belief that to be free the human being could not live in an astrological universe, and a gradual intellectual decline within astrology itself that made it increasingly vulnerable to criticism. Underlying all of these, a deep change of consciousness was occurring in the modern self that eclipsed the astrological vision so that something else could emerge. Astrology stopped being taught at Harvard and Oxford by the end of the seventeenth century, and it's interesting to see that it is in our own time that astrology courses are again entering higher education, this time in a form that has integrated modern and postmodern developments.
SA: Short of a complete technological-
So on the one hand, there are individual paths on which each of us has to find our own way. But then there's the question of how we are to deal with the major problems of modern consciousness on the collective level -- for example, the vast collective entrancement that's happening right now through the mass media.
SA: Entrancement? As in electronically medicated and hypnotized?
RT: Exactly. Many people today are more tuned into the weekly sitcoms and "reality shows" than they are to what's going on in the planetary biosphere or even in their neighborhood community. What will wake people up from this trance? Many experts believe that some very critical events will unfold within the next decade or so. We've already seen some in these last two years: Katrina, the tsunami, the many violent hurricanes and tornadoes, the strangeness of the weather patterns, the melting of the ice caps . . . And we know from individual lives that there is nothing like a mortal crisis to profoundly reconfigure a person's life. Out of such a crisis a radical shift of values tends to emerge. The whole moral structure of a person's or an entire society's way of being is transformed. It seems to me quite possible that we as a civilization and as a species may face some kind of crisis that will serve to catalyze this awakening. The question is: How severe will the crisis have to be for this awakening to take place? This is where we come in, with our free will, our courage, our spirit.
SA: How did you come to use planetary aspects (cyclical relationships of planets to each other) instead of "signs" in your research?
RT: Over the thirty years of research, I found that the most striking correspondences involved the aspects, like conjunctions and oppositions between the planets, rather than the signs. It's more important that there is a New Moon or a Full Moon (which is formed by the conjunction and the opposition of the Sun and the Moon), than what sign the Moon is in. It's not that signs have no significance. But the most basic archetypal dynamics that we see in history and in people's biographies seem most precisely connected to the geometrical aspects between the planets. Signs color those energies, but the energies themselves are related to the planets and their cyclical alignments.
We see this, for example, in the great conjunction of Uranus and Pluto that took place from 1960 to 1972. This coincided precisely with a time of tremendous empowerment of innovative and revolutionary impulses across the world, with both great social upheaval and liberating change occurring in every country on the planet, which is just what one might expect given what astrologers have long concluded about the meanings of those two planets. Those same two planets were also in alignment during the French Revolutionary epoch, 1787-98, when there was a virtually identical upsurge of tremendous rebellious and liberating energies sweeping the world, with radical change affecting many societies. We actually are going to be getting the square aspect of these same two planets during the next fifteen years, so on the basis of the past correlations we can anticipate some profound changes and new social energies in the not too distant future.
SA: What do you hope "Cosmos and Psyche" will accomplish?
RT: I hope my book opens thoughtful readers to a new dimension of the extraordinary universe we live in, a universe that seems to be informed at all levels by a profound creative intelligence. I believe that we can participate in the evolutionary unfolding of this universe more consciously and fully if we are aware of the correspondences between the planetary movements and our lives. And we can move into a more trusting relationship to life and the cosmos when we recognize the larger patterns of meaning and purpose in which we are embedded.
An shorter version of this interview previously appeared on BeliefNet.
Author's Note: Richard Tarnas will be the keynote speaker March 8-12, 2007 at The NCGR's National Conference: Geocosmic Alchemy: Astrology for the 21st Century in Baltimore, Maryland. More than thirty World Class astrologers (including Shelley Ackerman) will present at this conference. For more information visit www.geocosmic.
Shelley Ackerman is an astrologer, entertainer, journalist and broadcaster. To learn more, visit her website at www.karmicrelief.